Note: The materials and links on this page will be helpful to anyone, but they are meant especially to augment and extend the learning of participants in Justice For All's flagship training program, Abortion: From Debate to Dialogue, which includes Seat Work and Feet Work experiences led by Certified JFA Mentors, and Justice For All’s Love3 Online Interactive Workshop Series.
Preparing for COMMON QUESTIONS and Arguments
Quick Links: Refining Your Dialogue Skills / Learning the Skills of Clear Thinking / The Question of Rape and Incest / Bodily Rights / Life of the Mother / Fetal Deformity / Is Abortion Legal through Nine Months? / Is the Unborn a Living Human Organism (Biologically) / Should the Unborn Be Treated Equally? / Is it Significant that the Unborn Isn’t Viable? / Do the Unborn Feel Pain? / What Does the Bible Say about Abortion? / “I’m Personally Opposed…” / Moral Relativism / Skepticism / What about Back-Alley Abortion? / If Abortion Is Made Illegal, Should Women Be Punished? / Considering Graphic Pictures
Refining Your Dialogue Skills
Learning the Skills of Clear Thinking
“Should abortion be legal in the case of rape or incest?”
Answering the Hard Cases - Kristina Massa (August 2023 Impact Report)
See more resources on in the Love3 Session 5 (“The Question of Rape”) Notes.
Quick Links: Refining Your Dialogue Skills / Learning the Skills of Clear Thinking / The Question of Rape and Incest / Bodily Rights / Life of the Mother / Fetal Deformity / Is Abortion Legal through Nine Months? / Is the Unborn a Living Human Organism (Biologically) / Should the Unborn Be Treated Equally? / Is it Significant that the Unborn Isn’t Viable? / Do the Unborn Feel Pain? / What Does the Bible Say about Abortion? / “I’m Personally Opposed…” / Moral Relativism / Skepticism / What about Back-Alley Abortion? / If Abortion Is Made Illegal, Should Women Be Punished? / Considering Graphic Pictures
"Doesn't a woman's right to her body justify abortion, even if the unborn is a human being?" (also called "Bodily Rights")
Meeting the Relational Challenge:
Read this first: It's Her Body - Series by Steve Wagner (2018)
Interactive Guide, Activity 6 - If you read nothing else, this entry-level material will at least help you ask the right questions to determine if you’re encountering a bodily rights argument. (Get the full Interactive Guide here.)
Notes for Session 6 of Love3 (JFA’s Online Workshop Series - More Info)
Discerning Whether We’re Talking Biology, Equal Rights, or Bodily Rights
Coming soon.
The Sovereign Zone Argument
“Autumn in the Sovereign Zone” by Timothy Brahm
Original Printable Version courtesy of JFA: Autumn in the Sovereign Zone (by Timothy Brahm)
Interactive Guide, Activity 6 - The dialogue in this portion of JFA’s Interactive Guide illustrates one response to the Sovereign Zone argument. (Get the full Interactive Guide here.)
The Right to Refuse Argument
De Facto Guardian and Abortion: A Response to the Strongest Violinist (This post includes a link to a lengthy paper on the strongest version of the violinist argument.)
“Blood Donation and Bodily Rights Arguments” - Equal Rights Institute
Scholarly Debate on Bodily Rights
Trent Horn's debate with David Boonin on bodily rights (Both are experts on the topic.)
Other Topics or Arguments Related to Bodily Rights: “Abortion as Self-Defense”
Other Topics or Arguments Related to Bodily Rights: “Abortion if the Mother’s Life Is in Danger”
More Resources on Bodily Rights Arguments
"Good Samaritan on Life Support" by 2010 JFA Intern Tony George.
“Jack Changes His Mind…Three Times” (Steve Wagner: Includes Part 1: A Good Conversation Is a Mirror and Part 2: A Good Conversation Is a Window)
ERI President Josh Brahm teaches on bodily rights (video/audio).
Quick Links: Refining Your Dialogue Skills / Learning the Skills of Clear Thinking / The Question of Rape and Incest / Bodily Rights / Life of the Mother / Fetal Deformity / Is Abortion Legal through Nine Months? / Is the Unborn a Living Human Organism (Biologically) / Should the Unborn Be Treated Equally? / Is it Significant that the Unborn Isn’t Viable? / Do the Unborn Feel Pain? / What Does the Bible Say about Abortion? / “I’m Personally Opposed…” / Moral Relativism / Skepticism / What about Back-Alley Abortion? / If Abortion Is Made Illegal, Should Women Be Punished? / Considering Graphic Pictures
What are the health risks related to Pregnancy, Childbirth, chemical abortion, and surgical abortion?
CDC Annual Report on Maternal Mortality
Medical Journal: Best Practice and Research Clinical Obstetrics & Gynaecology
Pregnancy Mortality Surveillance System (PMSS)
PMSS “defines a pregnancy-related death as the death of a woman while pregnant or within 1 year of the end of pregnancy from any cause related to or aggravated by the pregnancy.”
Medical Journal: Obstetrics and Gynecology
Abortion, Maternal Mortality and Childbirth
Quick Response: We Need Broad Abortion Access for Maternal Mortality
Quick Links: Refining Your Dialogue Skills / Learning the Skills of Clear Thinking / The Question of Rape and Incest / Bodily Rights / Life of the Mother / Fetal Deformity / Is Abortion Legal through Nine Months? / Is the Unborn a Living Human Organism (Biologically) / Should the Unborn Be Treated Equally? / Is it Significant that the Unborn Isn’t Viable? / Do the Unborn Feel Pain? / What Does the Bible Say about Abortion? / “I’m Personally Opposed…” / Moral Relativism / Skepticism / What about Back-Alley Abortion? / If Abortion Is Made Illegal, Should Women Be Punished? / Considering Graphic Pictures
Is Abortion the Right Thing to Do If the Mother's Life Is in Danger?
START HERE: Abortion: From Debate to Dialogue - The Interactive Guide, v 3.5 (2023), p 35
Love3 Workshop Notes regarding “threats to the life of the mother”
American Association of Pro-Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists
Abortion: From Debate to Dialogue - The Interactive Guide (Pages 108-109)
Other Articles You May Find Helpful (Justice For All posts these as perspectives to consider. These articles do not necessarily explain the position of Justice For All on these questions.)
The idea that there are two patients:
“…the status of the fetus has been elevated to that of a patient who, in large measure, can be given the same meticulous care that obstetricians provide for pregnant women.” Williams Obstetrics, 20th Edition, F. Cary Cunningham et. al., Appleton & Lange, 1996, p. 78
(In the more recent Williams Obstetrics, 25th Edition, p. 124, the substance of this comment is preserved, but with slightly different wording: “An important result is that fetal status has been elevated to that of a patient who, in large measure, can be given the same meticulous care that obstetricians provide for gravidas. In our 25th edition, the entirety of Section 5 is dedicated to the fetal patient, as are individual chapters in other sections. Indeed, virtually every aspect of obstetrics can affect the developing fetus.”
Quick Links: Refining Your Dialogue Skills / Learning the Skills of Clear Thinking / The Question of Rape and Incest / Bodily Rights / Life of the Mother / Fetal Deformity / Is Abortion Legal through Nine Months? / Is the Unborn a Living Human Organism (Biologically) / Should the Unborn Be Treated Equally? / Is it Significant that the Unborn Isn’t Viable? / Do the Unborn Feel Pain? / What Does the Bible Say about Abortion? / “I’m Personally Opposed…” / Moral Relativism / Skepticism / What about Back-Alley Abortion? / If Abortion Is Made Illegal, Should Women Be Punished? / Considering Graphic Pictures
What About Abortion in Cases of Fetal Deformity?
Use JFA's Original Exhibit Brochure to discuss the story of Samuel Armas:
Click here to view JFA's Original Exhibit as a pdf (Warning: After the first couple of panels, this brochure contains extremely graphic images of fetal surgery, the results of abortion, and genocide).
More information about Samuel Armas: "15 Years Later Samuel Armas Sees Amazing Photo..." (Article at LifeNews.com)
Detailed Biographical Sketch of Samuel's life in the present day: Hope and Faith (Atlanta Journal Constitution: March 13, 2016)
"Human or Statistic? Do We Know What Percentage of Down Syndrome Kids Are Killed by Abortion?" by Steve Wagner
"What Percentage of Spina Bifida Kids Are Aborted?" by Steve Wagner
“My life with 4 lb., 14 oz. miracle baby with trisomy 18 – now 11” by Jennifer Thenhaus
Quick Links: Refining Your Dialogue Skills / Learning the Skills of Clear Thinking / The Question of Rape and Incest / Bodily Rights / Life of the Mother / Fetal Deformity / Is Abortion Legal through Nine Months? / Is the Unborn a Living Human Organism (Biologically) / Should the Unborn Be Treated Equally? / Is it Significant that the Unborn Isn’t Viable? / Do the Unborn Feel Pain? / What Does the Bible Say about Abortion? / “I’m Personally Opposed…” / Moral Relativism / Skepticism / What about Back-Alley Abortion? / If Abortion Is Made Illegal, Should Women Be Punished? / Considering Graphic Pictures
Is Abortion Legal Through All Nine Months?
Abortion: From Debate to Dialogue, The Interactive Guide (Pages 136-138)
See JFA's "More Facts" page for more.
Quick Links: Refining Your Dialogue Skills / Learning the Skills of Clear Thinking / The Question of Rape and Incest / Bodily Rights / Life of the Mother / Fetal Deformity / Is Abortion Legal through Nine Months? / Is the Unborn a Living Human Organism (Biologically) / Should the Unborn Be Treated Equally? / Is it Significant that the Unborn Isn’t Viable? / Do the Unborn Feel Pain? / What Does the Bible Say about Abortion? / “I’m Personally Opposed…” / Moral Relativism / Skepticism / What about Back-Alley Abortion? / If Abortion Is Made Illegal, Should Women Be Punished? / Considering Graphic Pictures
What is the Unborn Biologically?
Can Ten Seconds Change Minds? (Includes origin story of Ten-Second Pro-Life Apologist plus stories from Jeremy Gorr and CK Wisner featuring minds changed by the tool.)
Human Development Milestones (from the ADD Interactive Guide, pp. 117-119)
Notes for Session 3 of Love3 (JFA’s Online Workshop Series - More Info)
Maureen Condic, "Life: Defining the Beginning by the End" (First Things, 2003)
Maureen Condic, "When Does Human Life Begin? - A Scientific Perspective" (October 2008)
JFA's "What Is the Unborn?" page (includes quotations from embryologists and pro-choice philosophers affirming that the unborn is a living, human organism biologically)
Is the unborn constructed like a car or does he/she develop like a Polaroid photo?
Richard Stith, "Arguing with Pro-Choicers" (First Things, 11/4/2006)
Steve Wagner, "You Aren't Going Anywhere." (JFA Blog, 2/27/2016)
Richard Stith's academic paper on the topic is also highly recommended: Richard Stith, "Construction vs. Development: Polarizing Models of Human Gestation" (Or, click this alternate location.)
Food for Thought: Biology Textbook
“Traditional ways of classifying catalog animals according to their adult structure. But, as J. T. Bonner (1965) pointed out, this is a very artificial method, because what we consider an individual is usually just a brief slice of its life cycle. When we consider a dog, for instance, we usually picture an adult. But the dog is a ‘dog’ from the moment of fertilization of a dog egg by a dog sperm. It remains a dog even as a senescent dying hound. Therefore, the dog is actually the entire life cycle of the animal, from fertilization through death.” Gilbert SF. Developmental Biology. 6th edition. Sunderland (MA): Sinauer Associates; 2000. (Chapter 2, Life cycles and the evolution of developmental patterns.)
Other Helpful Tips
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Should the Unborn Be Treated Equally to You and Me?
Notes for Session 4 of Love3 Workshop (previously “7 Conversations in 7 Hours”)
Equal Rights Argument (Newsletter Collection)
About Self-Awareness and the Mirror Test:
See Philippe Rochat, "Five levels of self-awareness as they unfold early in life,"Consciousness and Cognition, 12 (2003) 717–731. See especially the following on pp. 725-726 of the Rochat article:
Despite all these remarkable perceptual discriminability between what pertains to the self and what pertains to others, up to the middle of the first year infants are oblivious that some rouge has surreptitiously been smeared on their face or that a yellow ‘‘Post-It’’ might appear on their forehead when looking at their own specular image (Bertenthal & Fisher, 1978; Povinelli, 1995). It is only by 18 months that, as shown in Fig. 2, infants start to reach for the mark on their own body, often in order to remove it (Level 3). This behavior is considered by most developmental and comparative psychologists as the Litmus test of self-awareness (but see Loveland, 1986, for a critic of this view). It is often viewed as the evidence of a conceptual or ‘‘represented’’ sense of self in any organism behaving like this in front of mirrors, whether the human child, non-human primates, avian, mammals like elephants, or even cetaceans like dolphins (Parker, Mitchell, & Boccia, 1994). But why? It is mainly because by showing this behavior, individuals demonstrate the ability to refer to the specular image as standing to their own body. In other words, they refer the silhouette they see reflected in the mirror to precise regions of their own body they cannot see directly (e.g., their forehead). This would be impossible without a body schema or own body representation that is mapped onto what is seen in the mirror. Therefore, this behavior indicates that the mirror reflection is seen by the individual as standing for this representation (Level 3). It is identified as referring to the body experienced and represented from within, not anybody else's. Identity is used here in the literal, dictionary sense of ‘‘recognizing the condition of being oneself, not another’’ (Random House Unabridged dictionary).
About Pain Awareness and Whether or Not the Embryo/Fetus Can Feel Pain
Quick Links: Refining Your Dialogue Skills / Learning the Skills of Clear Thinking / The Question of Rape and Incest / Bodily Rights / Life of the Mother / Fetal Deformity / Is Abortion Legal through Nine Months? / Is the Unborn a Living Human Organism (Biologically) / Should the Unborn Be Treated Equally? / Is it Significant that the Unborn Isn’t Viable? / Do the Unborn Feel Pain? / What Does the Bible Say about Abortion? / “I’m Personally Opposed…” / Moral Relativism / Skepticism / What about Back-Alley Abortion? / If Abortion Is Made Illegal, Should Women Be Punished? / Considering Graphic Pictures
"Abortion should be legal until the unborn is viable." (Or, "The unborn isn't a person until it's viable.")
A Good Conversation Is...a Mirror - Steve Wagner (In the conversation Steve featured in this newsletter, viability factored in early on.)
Quick Links: Refining Your Dialogue Skills / Learning the Skills of Clear Thinking / The Question of Rape and Incest / Bodily Rights / Life of the Mother / Fetal Deformity / Is Abortion Legal through Nine Months? / Is the Unborn a Living Human Organism (Biologically) / Should the Unborn Be Treated Equally? / Is it Significant that the Unborn Isn’t Viable? / Do the Unborn Feel Pain? / What Does the Bible Say about Abortion? / “I’m Personally Opposed…” / Moral Relativism / Skepticism / What about Back-Alley Abortion? / If Abortion Is Made Illegal, Should Women Be Punished? / Considering Graphic Pictures
Do Unborn Embryos and Fetuses Feel Pain?
Abstract: "Fetal pain has long been a contentious issue, in large part because fetal pain is often cited as a reason to restrict access to termination of pregnancy or abortion. We have divergent views regarding the morality of abortion, but have come together to address the evidence for fetal pain. Most reports on the possibility of fetal pain have focused on developmental neuroscience. Reports often suggest that the cortex and intact thalamocortical tracts are necessary for pain experience. Given that the cortex only becomes functional and the tracts only develop after 24 weeks, many reports rule out fetal pain until the final trimester. Here, more recent evidence calling into question the necessity of the cortex for pain and demonstrating functional thalamic connectivity into the subplate is used to argue that the neuroscience cannot definitively rule out fetal pain before 24 weeks. We consider the possibility that the mere experience of pain, without the capacity for self reflection, is morally significant. We believe that fetal pain does not have to be equivalent to a mature adult human experience to matter morally, and so fetal pain might be considered as part of a humane approach to abortion."
Daily Mail: Unborn babies MAY feel pain before the 24-week abortion limit, scientists say
Equal Rights Institute: John Bockmann, co-author of "Reconsidering Fetal Pain" (2020) and Dr. Bridget Thill, MD, MS, author of "Fetal Pain in the First Trimester" (2021) discuss recent research regarding fetal pain.
Quick Links: Refining Your Dialogue Skills / Learning the Skills of Clear Thinking / The Question of Rape and Incest / Bodily Rights / Life of the Mother / Fetal Deformity / Is Abortion Legal through Nine Months? / Is the Unborn a Living Human Organism (Biologically) / Should the Unborn Be Treated Equally? / Is it Significant that the Unborn Isn’t Viable? / Do the Unborn Feel Pain? / What Does the Bible Say about Abortion? / “I’m Personally Opposed…” / Moral Relativism / Skepticism / What about Back-Alley Abortion? / If Abortion Is Made Illegal, Should Women Be Punished? / Considering Graphic Pictures
Does the Bible Say Anything about Abortion?
Steve Wagner: “Does the Bible Say Anything about Abortion?”
Greg Koukl: “What Exodus 21:22 Says About Abortion”
Scott Klusendorf: “Dead Silence: Must the Bible Say Abortion is Wrong Before We Can Know that It’s Wrong?”
Scott Klusendorf: “Is the Bible Pro-life?”
Alan Shlemon: “Did God Ordain Abortion as Punishment for Infidelity?”
Quick Links: Refining Your Dialogue Skills / Learning the Skills of Clear Thinking / The Question of Rape and Incest / Bodily Rights / Life of the Mother / Fetal Deformity / Is Abortion Legal through Nine Months? / Is the Unborn a Living Human Organism (Biologically) / Should the Unborn Be Treated Equally? / Is it Significant that the Unborn Isn’t Viable? / Do the Unborn Feel Pain? / What Does the Bible Say about Abortion? / “I’m Personally Opposed…” / Moral Relativism / Skepticism / What about Back-Alley Abortion? / If Abortion Is Made Illegal, Should Women Be Punished? / Considering Graphic Pictures
"I'm pro-life personally, but I don't feel like I can force my views on people through laws against abortion."
“NOTE: Relativism and ‘personally opposed but should be legal’ share a sort of venn diagram relationship. There are versions of each that are examples of the other, but then there are also versions of each that are distinct from the other. In addition, relativism and "personally opposed" many times as a expressions of skepticism, or a general leaning on the idea that "well, we really can't know anything about things like that." Keep our resources on relativism, skepticism, and “personally opposed” in mind as you seek to learn to respond to people in a way that understands their view before challenging it.” - Steve Wagner, May 2021
Quick Links: Refining Your Dialogue Skills / Learning the Skills of Clear Thinking / The Question of Rape and Incest / Bodily Rights / Life of the Mother / Fetal Deformity / Is Abortion Legal through Nine Months? / Is the Unborn a Living Human Organism (Biologically) / Should the Unborn Be Treated Equally? / Is it Significant that the Unborn Isn’t Viable? / Do the Unborn Feel Pain? / What Does the Bible Say about Abortion? / “I’m Personally Opposed…” / Moral Relativism / Skepticism / What about Back-Alley Abortion? / If Abortion Is Made Illegal, Should Women Be Punished? / Considering Graphic Pictures
Aren’t Morals Relative? (Resources on Moral Relativism)
“NOTE: Relativism and ‘personally opposed but should be legal’ share a sort of venn diagram relationship. There are versions of each that are examples of the other, but then there are also versions of each that are distinct from the other. In addition, relativism and "personally opposed" many times as a expressions of skepticism, or a general leaning on the idea that "well, we really can't know anything about things like that." Keep our resources on relativism, skepticism, and “personally opposed” in mind as you seek to learn to respond to people in a way that understands their view before challenging it.” - Steve Wagner, May 2021
Quick Links: Refining Your Dialogue Skills / Learning the Skills of Clear Thinking / The Question of Rape and Incest / Bodily Rights / Life of the Mother / Fetal Deformity / Is Abortion Legal through Nine Months? / Is the Unborn a Living Human Organism (Biologically) / Should the Unborn Be Treated Equally? / Is it Significant that the Unborn Isn’t Viable? / Do the Unborn Feel Pain? / What Does the Bible Say about Abortion? / “I’m Personally Opposed…” / Moral Relativism / Skepticism / What about Back-Alley Abortion? / If Abortion Is Made Illegal, Should Women Be Punished? / Considering Graphic Pictures
“I don’t know” or “I don’t think anyone can know.” (Resources on Skepticism)
“NOTE: Relativism and ‘personally opposed but should be legal’ share a sort of venn diagram relationship. There are versions of each that are examples of the other, but then there are also versions of each that are distinct from the other. In addition, relativism and "personally opposed" many times as a expressions of skepticism, or a general leaning on the idea that "well, we really can't know anything about things like that." Keep our resources on relativism, skepticism, and “personally opposed” in mind as you seek to learn to respond to people in a way that understands their view before challenging it.” - Steve Wagner, May 2021
Resources coming soon.
"If abortion is made illegal, won't women die in the back alleys?"
"If abortion is made illegal, how should a woman who has an abortion be punished?"
See Steve Wagner's five posts in this series: "Pro-Lifer's Squirm at the Punishment Question...but Why?" (This link takes you to Part V of the series, written a few years after the initial four posts. All are linked in Part V.)
See Trent Horn's excellent blog post (April 1, 2016): "Should a Woman Be Punished for Having an Abortion?"
Quick Links: Refining Your Dialogue Skills / Learning the Skills of Clear Thinking / The Question of Rape and Incest / Bodily Rights / Life of the Mother / Fetal Deformity / Is Abortion Legal through Nine Months? / Is the Unborn a Living Human Organism (Biologically) / Should the Unborn Be Treated Equally? / Is it Significant that the Unborn Isn’t Viable? / Do the Unborn Feel Pain? / What Does the Bible Say about Abortion? / “I’m Personally Opposed…” / Moral Relativism / Skepticism / What about Back-Alley Abortion? / If Abortion Is Made Illegal, Should Women Be Punished? / Considering Graphic Pictures
Considering Graphic Pictures
Abortion: From Debate to Dialogue, The Interactive Guide (Pages 110-112)
JFA Certification Assignment #13: Why Do Some People Act? (30-Minute Guided Reflection Beginning with a Consideration of Jet Magazine's Photos of Emmett Till)
Quick Links: Refining Your Dialogue Skills / Learning the Skills of Clear Thinking / The Question of Rape and Incest / Bodily Rights / Life of the Mother / Fetal Deformity / Is Abortion Legal through Nine Months? / Is the Unborn a Living Human Organism (Biologically) / Should the Unborn Be Treated Equally? / Is it Significant that the Unborn Isn’t Viable? / Do the Unborn Feel Pain? / What Does the Bible Say about Abortion? / “I’m Personally Opposed…” / Moral Relativism / Skepticism / What about Back-Alley Abortion? / If Abortion Is Made Illegal, Should Women Be Punished? / Considering Graphic Pictures
EXAMPLES FROM JFA TRAINERS AND VOLUNTEERS
Resources You Can Request
Optional Preparation for the ADD Seminar
Feet Work and Repeat Work Materials
(Tools for Dialogue)
About the Unborn (video, embryologists, and pro-choice philosophers)
Write a Reflection (you can use this as a dialogue tool to start more conversation)